IndieWeb | Chris Aldrich

Reply to Jorge Toledo about what IndieWeb is about

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I think it's worth a close look.

Also, thanks to @jgmac1106 for jumping in.

Check his replies (which are somehow connected/made from his own site in a way I still have to understand ;) https://t.co/OWChQnaSeF
— Jorge Toledo (@eldelacajita) January 31, 2019

If it helps a bit, I’ve written a primer on IndieWeb basics which might be helpful.

Often I think it’s more illustrative to see what IndieWeb is by seeing what it can do. Greg and I are both publishing first on our own websites, and only then syndicating our replies to Twitter, where you’re seeing them. Then any responses to those posts are being fed back to our websites via the Webmention protocol with the help of Brid.gy in a process known as backfeed. The nice part is that he and I can have a website to website conversation (I’m on the WordPress CMS and he’s using WithKnown as his CMS of choice) without needing to use Facebook, Twitter, etc. as corporate intermediaries–typically unless we want to include others like you who aren’t using their own platforms yet.

To a great extent, we’re using simple web standards and open protocols so that our websites function like our own personal social media services without giving away all the control and the data to third parties. If you prefer, you can also think of IndieWeb as what the old blogosphere might have become if MySpace, Friendster, Facebook, Twitter, et al. hadn’t happened.

As another example of what IndieWeb related technology is about: I haven’t quite finished all the moving pieces yet, but my personal website is also federated in the sense that you can follow me @chrisaldrich on Mastodon or other parts of the Fediverse. (Don’t judge the output too harshly just yet, I’m still working on it, but it’s at least a reasonable proof of concept that many are also doing now. I also don’t have direct replies via Mastodon working just yet either…)

Please do let us know if you have other questions. We’re happy to help.

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🎧 Radio Atlantic: How to Fix Social Media | The Atlantic

Listened to Radio Atlantic: How to Fix Social Media by Matt Thompson, Alexis Madrigal from The Atlantic

Social-media platforms once promised to connect the world. Today’s digital communities, though, often feel like forces for disunity. Anger and discord in 2018 seemed only amplified by the social-media institutions that now dictate our conversations. Executive Editor Matt Thompson sits down with the staff writer Alexis Madrigal to find out how we got to this state, and whether we can do anything to change it.

Discussion topics include: why our online problems are really offline ones, what these platforms have lost in pursuit of scale, and how Matt’s and Alexis’s experiments with solutions have fared.

Last year, Alexis removed retweets from his Twitter account (and was pessimistic about new changes bringing back the old Twitter). Matt just began an experiment turning his Twitter account into a place for conversation rather than performance by reclaiming “the ratio.” The effort reminds Alexis of another noble attempt at making your own rules online. Has it Made the Internet Great Again? Listen to find out.

Voices

Matt Thompson (@mthomps)

Alexis C. Madrigal (@alexismadrigal)

Definitely a fascinating episode; potentially worth a second listen.

Of primary interest here, Matt Thompson discusses his concept of “Breaking the Ratio” (🎧 00:23:16-00:27:28) a take on the idea of being ratioed on Twitter.

His concept immediately brings to mind a few broad ideas:

Micro.blog is, to some extent, a Twitter clone–loathe as I am to use the phrase as it is so much more than that–which acts in almost exactly the way that Matt and likely Alexis wish Twitter would. Manton Reece specifically designed Micro.blog to not have the idea of retweets or likes, which forces people to have more direct conversations and discussions. Instead of liking or retweeting a post, one must reply directly. Even if one just sends a heart or thumbs up emoji, it has to be an explicit reply. Generally replies are not so sparse however, and the interactions are much more like Matt describes in his personal community.

(I’ll be clear that micro.blog does have a “favorite” functionality, but it is private to the user and doesn’t send any notifications to the post on which it is given. As a result, the favorite functionality on micro.blog is really more semantically akin to a private bookmark, it just has a different name.)

The second thing, albeit tangential to the idea of breaking the ratio, is Ben Werdmüller‘s idea of people taking back agency and using their own voices to communicate.

The single change social networks could make that would have the most positive impact is to remove all kinds of resharing. Force people to speak in their own voices or not at all. Using other peoples’ language to express yourself forces you to evaluate the world on their terms.

— Ben Werdmuller (@benwerd) October 29, 2018

While the retweet is a quick and useful shorthand, it decimates the personal voices and agency of the people who use it. He’s suggested that they might be better off restating the retweet in their own voice before sending it on, if they’re going to pass the information along. I wonder if he’s ultimately ended up somewhere interesting with his original thesis and research I know he has been doing.^[1][2]

If one thinks about it for a moment the old blogosphere was completely about breaking the ratio as most writers wanted to communicate back and forth with others in a more direct and real manner. The fact that the blogosphere didn’t have likes, favorites, or retweets was a feature not an issue. The closest one usually got to a retweet was a blockquote of text which was usually highlighted, featured, and then either argued with or expounded upon.

I’ll note that I most typically use Twitter in a read-only mode almost exactly like Alexis indicates (🎧 00:29:56) that he uses it: plugged into Nuzzel to surface some of the best articles and ideas along with the ability to see the public commentary from the Tweets of the people I’m following and care about. To me this method filters out a lot of the crap and noise and tends to surface a lot more interesting content for me. I’ve created several dozen Twitter lists of various people and plugged them into Nuzzel, so invariably almost everything I come across while using it is useful and interesting to me.

Finally, I’d invite both Matt and Alexis, as fans of the old-school blogosphere, to take a look at what is happening within the IndieWeb community and the newer functionalities that have been built into it to extend what the old blogosphere is now capable of doing. My experience in having gone into it “whole hog” over the past several years has given me a lot of the experiences that Matt describes and which Alexis wishes he had (without all the additional work). I’m happy to chat with either of them or others who are looking for alternate solutions for community and conversation without a lot of the problems that come along as part and parcel with social media services.