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Replied to a thread by Scott P. Scheper and Alexandra Graßler (Twitter)

The origins of the Zettelkasten's numeric-alpha card addresses seem to derive from Niklas Luhmann's early work as a legal clerk. The filing scheme used is called "Aktenzeichen" - See https://t.co/4mQklgSG5u. cc @ChrisAldrich
— Scott P. Scheper (@ScottScheper) June 27, 2022

The "Aktenzeichen" was the first which came to my mind as I stumbled across the Zettelkasten years ago. And it makes total sense for me. It's the most important signature of every kind of bureaucracy here in Germany and Luhman worked for years in this field.
— Alexandra Graßler (@wissensagentur) June 28, 2022

I’ll go you one better with the likely historical precedent for Niklas Luhmann’s zettelkasten numbering system: conscription numbers on Viennese houses in 1770s! https://hypothes.is/users/chrisaldrich?q=austria+tag%3A%22Niklas+Luhmann%22

Alberto Cevolini & Markus Krajewski have relevant research. There are still a few missing puzzle pieces however.

Replied to a thread by John-Mark Gurney, Dan McDonald, and Seth Wright (Twitter)

Has anyone written software to mirror their tweets to their own website? That is save static versions of them with the ability to update regularly?
— John-Mark Gurney (@encthenet) June 21, 2022

I have most of the elements to implement it, which means I should probably just do it myself. Just not sure how I'll handle the threads. Or people replying to me, and my responses. I can't archive other people's tweets, but I guess I could embed them.
— John-Mark Gurney (@encthenet) June 21, 2022

I think (from my limited time looking at it a couple years ago), the indieweb people who did something like this went the other way and mirrored from their blog *to* Twitter…which seemed pretty limiting to me for all the reasons you just brought up. (Also following…)
— Seth Wright (@Crosse3) June 21, 2022

I’m pretty sure that many within the IndieWeb space have got this working with a variety of software, particularly using Bridgy for the responses. Here’s an outline of how I do it with WordPress https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/02/threaded-conversations-between-wordpress-and-twitter/

I’m always curious to see other implementations.

Replied to Thinking about Planets and Challenges by

David Shanske (david.shanske.com)

Earlier today, at the special Transatlantic Bonus Homebrew Website Club, we continued a discussion on trying a community challenge to create content, similar to some of what micro.blog does with their photo challenges. ❧ One of the stumbling blocks was discovery on this, being distributed, how you can...

GWG, Some random thoughts:
Your challenge question is tough, not just for the mere discovery portion, but for the multiple other functions involved, particularly a “submit/reply” portion and a separate “I want to subscribe to something for future updates”.
I can’t think of any sites that do both of these functionalities at the same time. They’re almost always a two step process, and quite often, after the submission part, few people ever revisit the original challenge to see further updates and follow along. The lack of an easy subscribe function is the downfall of the second part. A system that allowed one to do both a cross-site submit/subscribe simultaneously would be ideal UI, but that seems a harder problem, especially as subscribe isn’t well implemented in IndieWeb spaces with a one click and done set up.
Silo based spaces where you’re subscribed to the people who might also participate might drip feed you some responses, but I don’t think that even micro.blog has something that you could use to follow the daily photo challenges by does it?

Other examples

https://daily.ds106.us/ is a good example of a sort of /planet that does regular challenges and has a back end that aggregates responses (usually from Twitter). I imagine that people are subscribed to the main feed of the daily challenges, but I don’t imagine that many are subscribed to the comments feed (is there even one?)
Maxwell’s Sith Lord Challenge is one of the few I’ve seen in the personal site space that has aggregated responses. I don’t think it has an easy way to subscribe to the responses though an h-feed of responses on the page might work in a reader? Maybe he’s got some thoughts about how this worked out?
Ongoing challenges, like a 30 day photography challenge for example, are even harder because they’re an ongoing one that either requires a central repository to collect, curate, and display them (indieweb.xyz, or a similar planet) or require something that can collect one or more of a variety of submitted feeds and then display them or allow a feed(s) of them. I’ve seen something like this before with http://connectedcourses.net/ in the education space using RSS, but it took some time to not only set it up but to get people’s sites to work with it. (It was manual and it definitely hurt as I recall.)
I don’t think of it as a challenge, but I often submit to the IndieWeb sub on indieweb.xyz and I’m also subscribed to its output as well. In this case it works as an example since this is one of its primary functions. It’s not framed as a challenge, though it certainly could be. Here one could suggest that participants tag their posts with a particular hashtag for tracking, but in IndieWeb space they’d be “tagging” their posts with the planet’s particular post URL and either manually or automatically pinging the Webmention endpoint.
Another option that could help implement some fun in the system is to salmention all the prior submissions on each submission as an update mechanism, but one would need to have a way to unsubscribe to this as it could be(come) a spam vector.

Replied to As I continue reading and sometimes re-posting ... by

Jeremy Cherfas (Jeremy Cherfas)

As I continue reading and sometimes re-posting things written on this day, I've decided to do one more thing at the end of a session: go to a random site in the IndieWeb WebRing. Today, I found something that resonates down the years: how to organise the content of a weblog.

These are fascinating questions, though looking at them from various perspectives and imagined audiences over time scales makes them more intriguing.

Most often we privilege the chronological time order because that’s how we ourselves live them, write them, and how much of our audience experiences them.

But consider looking at someone’s note collections or zettelkasten after they’re gone? One wouldn’t necessarily read them in physical order or even attempt to recreate them into time-based order. Instead they’d find an interesting topical heading, delve in and start following links around.

I’ve been thinking about this idea of “card index (or zettelkasten) as autobiography” for a bit now, though I’m yet to come to any final conclusions. (References and examples see also: https://hypothes.is/users/chrisaldrich?q=%22card+index+as+autobiography%22).

I’ve also been looking at Walter Benjamin’s Arcades Project which is based on a chunk of his (unfinished) zettelkasten notes which editors have gone through and published as books. There were many paths an editor could have taken to write such a book, and many of them that Benjamin himself may not have taken, but there it is at the end of the day, a book ostensibly similar to what Benjamin would have written because there it is in his own writing in his card index.

After his death, editors excerpted 330 index cards of Roland Barthes’ collection of 12,000+ about his reactions to the passing of his mother and published them in book form as a perceived “diary”. What if someone were to do this with your Tweets or status updates after your death?

Does this perspective change your ideas on time ordering, taxonomies, etc. and how people will think about what we wrote?

I’ll come back perhaps after I’ve read Barthes’ The Death of the Author…

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