Replied to a post by Andrew DoranAndrew Doran (https://andrewdoran.uk/blog/)
Are there any paid WordPress themes out there with good implementations of webmentions, or is this not (yet?) mainstream enough?
I’m not sure what you’re asking here?

What functionality are you looking for in a theme beyond what is already set up within the two WordPress webmention plugins (Webmention and Semantic Linkbacks)? Are you asking about Microformats markup in themes?

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As Francis Urquhart might say, “You might very well think that…”

The whole point of that post is to show that og hasn’t solved it. There are too many flavors of metacrap and no standards. And worse og is not only not “open” it’s a DRY violation.

If you want to spelunk a bit, Cory Doctorow approached the idea back in 2001: Metacrap: Putting the torch to seven straw-men of the meta-utopia

Replied to Introducing a Microformats API for Books: books-mf2.herokuapp.com by Jamie TannaJamie Tanna (Jamie Tanna | Software Engineer)
Announcing the Microformats translation layer for book data.
This is awesomeness!

h-book 

h-book is an experimental microformat at best.

I might recommend for minimizing the vocabulary that one might use the existing h-product instead and allow parsers to find an ISBN, Library of Congress book number, ASIN, UPC, or other product code to determine “bookness”.
Annotated on August 01, 2021 at 09:13AM

Replied to a tweet by Ameya Warde (@ameyawarde)Ameya Warde (@ameyawarde) (Twitter)
Do share a link to your digital garden if it’s public. I love to see what others are doing with respect to design and use. We need to get around to holding a Gardens & Streams II camp session(s) to keep iterating on the idea. Do add yourself to the interest list if you like.

I know there are many still actively using Microformats. Sometimes the wiki can have older examples and there’s always linkrot. On hCard (microformats v1), you’re probably better off looking at the newer h-card (v2) specification and examples. In skimming it tonight I notice that Mastodon isn’t listed on the page though they support it. My own site parses them to pull in author names, URLs, and avatars in the reply contexts on my posts.

I recently found https://indiewebify.me/ good in testing and fixing an h-card I set up on one of my wikis/digital gardens.

 

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Can’t wait to try out Velox as an IndieWeb friendly theme!
Replied to a post by Mike RockwellMike Rockwell (Mike Rockwell)
Just added an h-card to the footer of mike.rockwell.mx. I’m hoping that’s all that’s necessary to get Webmentions to include an avatar image. https://mike.rockwell.mx/asides/780
Most of your pages already have your avatar, name and URL at the top, so you could just add the microformats to those parts there if you wish. I always find that using https://indiewebify.me/ to test against can help.
Read Can someone add some more HTML tags, please? by Dries BuytaertDries Buytaert (dri.es)
Every day, millions of new web pages are added to the internet. Most of them are unstructured, uncategorized, and nearly impossible for software to understand. It irks me. Look no further than Sir Tim Berners-Lee's Wikipedia page: The markup for Tim Berners-Lee's Wikipedia page; it's complex and inc...

We definitely need more rich mark up that’s parseable and usable. I’m not sure that additional HTML tags would necessarily be taken up heavily to be of much use.

I do like having some solid microformats on my own content and it works out well with many of the parsing tools that I use regularly for consuming content. I’m curious what Dries has tried out in terms of options he’s dogfooded into Drupal? I do notice that when my website parses his article, it does pull in more data than most sites I come across. The one thing my parser didn’t find was his avatar in the “correct” place. It popped up as a page photo rather than an avatar for him as an author.

Putting microformats into Wikipedia seems like an interesting idea. Anyone want to manually add microformats to tbl’s Wikipedia page? 🙂

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Why bother with h-shitpost?! This should parse without any additional work:

<div class="h-entry">
  <time class="dt-published">2017-01-20</time>: 
  <p class="p-content">I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.</p>
  <span class="p-author">Donald John Trump</span>
  <span class="p-category">shitpost</span>
</div>

😉

Read microformats include pattern idea by Brian Tremblay (btrem.github.io)
The current microformats include pattern offers two methods — using <object> or <a> — to include in a microformat element parts of a document that are outside of that microformats element's DOM tree. Both patterns have problems, and have not been widely adopted. Also, the include pattern has not been updated for microformats 2. This page is a proposal for a new include pattern using a custom element without any semantics.
btrem in #microformats 2020-12-14 ()
If you’re interested in microformats (in general) or web pages, data, and design relating to creating menus for restaurant web pages, there’s been some great conversation brewing in the microformats community over the past two weeks.

It’s a reasonably good example of how web standards are evolved for those who might like to see how the sausage is made (pun intended.) 

Liked microformats dinner logo by Cindi Li (Flickr)

microformats logo sitting on a dinner placemat with a fork and knife on either side

Dan Cederholm's logo but now adjusted for the microformat dinners. :D

::dan don't hurt me:: :D

microformats.org/wiki/spread-microformats

KevinMarks in #indieweb chat: “Thanks Cindy https://www.flickr.com/photos/cindyli/2836380076 (it also solves the “I only see 3 mats” objection)” ()
Bookmarked Velox Theme by David WolfpawDavid Wolfpaw (GitHub)
Development repository for the Velox Theme for WordPress - davidwolfpaw/velox-theme

Cool! Looks like another IndieWeb friendly WordPress theme on the horizon. I’ll need to take a look at it soon.

David Wolfpaw in #80945 (THEME: Velox – 1.0.5) – WordPress Themes ()

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I like the elegant idea Kevin Marks came up with for distributed verification as just one part of your solution. Please bring back h-card and rel="me" mark up on Twitter profiles. It would be nice if every user had a permalink for their avatar too.
Replied to Process for updating a proposed h-entry property · Issue #25 · microformats/h-entry by Tantek ÇelikTantek Çelik (GitHub)

The current h-entry change control process does not specify how to update the definition of a proposed feature, which means it falls back to being as strict as updating a stable feature which is more strict that desired for proposals. This issue is for considering a proposal for updating the definition of a proposed feature, as discussed during the recent Microformats Issue Resolution pop-up.

Proposal: the definition of a proposed feature may be updated to be more consistent with one or more real world public web sites publishing and or consuming the feature, by citing URLs for those examples in an edit summary. New proposed property or value definitions may also be added for consideration per the existing requirements for adding a proposed feature. If you’re not sure whether to update an existing definition or add a new definition, try to work with the proposer(s) of an existing definition to come to a consensus to update it. Lacking consensus, add a new definition for consideration, retaining any previous definition(s).

This proposal also adds a convergence requirement for moving a feature from proposed to draft. If there are multiple definitions for a proposed feature, an issue must be opened to discuss how to converge the definitions by consensus agreement among those with real world public web sites publishing and or implementations consuming the feature.

This is a rough first draft, feel free to propose alternatives, simplifications, editorial suggestions.

(Originally published at: https://tantek.com/2020/259/b2/)

This is acceptable to me. No further ideas or revisions at this time.
Liked a post by David ShanskeDavid Shanske (david.shanske.com)
Micropub 2.2.3 for WordPress has been released. It fixes a variety of warning notices.  Published, updated, name, and summary properties are no longer stored in post meta. When queried, they will be pulled from the equivalent WordPress properties. Content should be as well, however as content in th...
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