The Refbacks plugin is now updated after nearly two years. The plugin doesn’t need much attention, it always worked it’s based on the Webmentions plugin, and we’d done some work over there that I brought over, including a new retrieval class, improved type support, etc.
The way I implemented R...
I love that this is already showing a refback from Loqi!
Slides and resources from my talk at JamStack Toronto.
First there’s the details of her post in particular that are cool, but I like how Sia is leveraging Twitter as part of the commenting system on her blog using Webmention and Brid.gy. This way for people who aren’t replying or interacting with their own websites (yet!), they can still take part in the conversation, but she can own it all in one centralized place.
In particular take a look at the great, and intuitive UI she’s got at the bottom of her post:
Why bother with h-shitpost?! This should parse without any additional work:
<p class="p-content">I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.</p>
<span class="p-author">Donald John Trump</span>
@c had to check out your website cos of the donny 1-letter handle. Great stuff pioneering IndieWeb + good to see someone else here working across tech & the arts. Your apsugen.com link is down FYI.
@w4rner I’m meaning to fix that Apsugen link and my WithKnown instance over the holidays. I’ve also been debating swapping my username out for something longer because I have the same issue with it. Thanks for stopping by and good to meet you here.
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New App, better graph
I love hearing about Dan’s explorations and use of many of these platforms. I’m curious if he’s got some answers about quickly making notes and getting them into these systems? I’ve tinkered with using Hypothes.is for it.
I had the privilege of designing this year’s WordPress default theme, Twenty Twenty-One, which was released yesterday alongside WordPress 5.6. I started working on the initial concepts for the theme back in July, so seeing it finally launched is fantastic.
This is awesome news. Congratulations on the culmination of a lot of hard work! I can’t wait to start tinkering with it, particularly to see what I can learn from it by looking at the code.
#indieweb folks. there are a ton of self hosted commenting systems. But what about a "universal comment" system? Where all of my comments, on any site I use, are just links back to my server. I own/host all of my comments. I'm assuming this has been discussed?
Excellent thanks. What would be the 'next step'? If we could get social networks to have the tweets/comments ONLY be a link to your website what does that buy us? I appreciate the solution you have but it's about working within the current siloed approach
Aaron’s site is so advanced, his replies on Twitter don’t have a permalink back to his site. So you’re missing out on the way he replies and collects replies/likes/reposts. See: https://aaronparecki.com/2020/12/10/7/
Mine is less so; you’ll see my permalink on Twitter back to my original.
It doesn’t look like he threads his entire conversations (publicly), but you can currently see the contexts and replies from your conversations at https://aaronparecki.com/replies.
A difference you’ll notice is that Twitter caps me at 280 characters, while I can waffle on for days and Aaron’s website will likely (but doesn’t have to) capture it.
Webmention also allows for editing/sending updates, so I can edit after-the-fact and Aaron’s site will show it whereas Twitter doesn’t allow edits, so… I could also delete my response in the future and send a “410 webmention” and Aaron’s site should delete it.
I’m sure that Twitter, Facebook, and most other social media systems could implement sending/receiving webmentions in under a week (even if they’re dragging their feet on a well written spec) and add microformats to make cross-site notifications and comments a reality. It will assuredly require legislation for them to do so however.
@ChrisAldrich Hi Chris. Any suggestions for a browser extension (or something similar) that replaces the functionality of Press This for WordPress? I'm looking for a way to quickly get a selection of text into a draft post, ideally with attribution metadata included.
Another option is Tom Critchlow and Toby Shorin’s Quotebacks which you might leverage though they won’t necessarily create new posts on your behalf.
If you’ve got some programming experience, you might be able to do something interesting with a set of bookmarklets I just made too.
I think I’ve also shared most of my documented workflow for using Hypothes.is for some of this too, though that may require some work on your behalf.
Another good option is to add Micropub functionality and use some clients like Quill, Omnibear, or others in conjunction with the Post Kinds plugin. I think Quill may also have some useful bookmarklets you can use with it as well.
I also find that I have a subtle differentiation using singular versus plural tags which I think I’m generally using to differentiate between the idea of “mine” versus “others”. Thus the (singular) tag for “commonplace book” should be a reference to my particular commonplace book versus the (plural) tag “commonplace books” which I use to reference either the generic idea or the specific commonplace books of others. Sadly I don’t think I apply this “rule” consistently either, but hope to do so in the future.
Now I’m wishing that I had a separate “labels” taxonomy on my site to distinguish between “mine” and “theirs”. In using the Post Kinds Plugin for WordPress, I’m passively collecting labels (though it’s called tags) others put on their content (which is currently hidden in my internal metadata) and that is separate from the metadata tags I place on it. Being able to separately search the two could be a powerful feature.
I sort of like the idea of networked thought via digital commonplace books. Being able to carry on longer conversations between notebooks in a sense. It shouldn’t matter how long or short the conversation is.
I attempt to do this with my own website(s) leveraging Webmentions for the back-and-forth portions. Twitter is often just a simple notification mechanism for those who don’t have that support yet.
In many cases, sites sending these notifications with the proper microformats mark up means that you can get some really beautiful replies to show up in your comments section (esp. in relation to how the old linkbacks/trackbacks looked). Webmention also has some structure as well as potential extensions to prevent the spam that the prior implementations encouraged.
Now if you want to take this the next few logical steps, add Micropub support to your website, and start using a social reader like Indigenous. That will let you write replies to content in your reader that will automatically post those repsonses/replies to your website, but then your site can ping the site you were responding to! The specifications allow a true social media experience between websites running different software on different URLs. Some documentation for the WordPress side of things: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started_on_WordPress
The more sites that support these specifications, the richer the ecosystem becomes.
Sue, I wrote a generally non-technical primer on them a while back. I think they could be used to some interesting effect in the OER space actually. Perhaps we ought to focus this month’s #DoOO meetup on the topic?